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		<title>Comment on TrinityTransit.org: Making rural transit service attractive and easy-to-use by Aaron Antrim</title>
		<link>http://www.trilliumtransit.com/blog/2011/12/12/trinitytransit-org-making-rural-transit-service-easy-and-attractive/comment-page-1/#comment-6644</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Antrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am happy to hear you like the website, Noelle.

I am curious what map display you expected on, or linked from, the timetable pages.  An individual stick map for the route?  Stop locations plotted in Google Maps?  The entire line in Google Maps?

I think an ideal implementation would make every stop in the timetable a hyperlink that brings up a little popup map (Google Maps, Bing, or OpenStreetMap) that highlights the stop location and route alignment.  The user could click a &quot;full screen&quot; link to go to a larger interactive map.  They could also link to this from the timetable page.

The short answer as to why we didn&#039;t do this is lack of budget.  We&#039;re working on a way to automatically generate timetables (a la http://redwoodtransit.org/schedules/weekday/north/), that is generalized, so we can apply it for most agencies.  But again, we just didn&#039;t have time and budget to implement for this particular project.

As to your question as to whether Google Maps transit directions will become oriented entirely around metropolitan areas instead of rural areas: I have not seen any indication of this occurring.  Further, I would strongly doubt that Google would would abandon serving rural areas with transit data when the company has demonstrated their commitment to broad coverage with other features (for example, Street View), when Google have an active user base in the rural areas, and when Google has already invested a significant effort in welcoming many rural, micro-urban, and intercity transit services to participate in the Google Transit Partner Program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am happy to hear you like the website, Noelle.</p>
<p>I am curious what map display you expected on, or linked from, the timetable pages.  An individual stick map for the route?  Stop locations plotted in Google Maps?  The entire line in Google Maps?</p>
<p>I think an ideal implementation would make every stop in the timetable a hyperlink that brings up a little popup map (Google Maps, Bing, or OpenStreetMap) that highlights the stop location and route alignment.  The user could click a &#8220;full screen&#8221; link to go to a larger interactive map.  They could also link to this from the timetable page.</p>
<p>The short answer as to why we didn&#8217;t do this is lack of budget.  We&#8217;re working on a way to automatically generate timetables (a la <a href="http://redwoodtransit.org/schedules/weekday/north/" rel="nofollow">http://redwoodtransit.org/schedules/weekday/north/</a>), that is generalized, so we can apply it for most agencies.  But again, we just didn&#8217;t have time and budget to implement for this particular project.</p>
<p>As to your question as to whether Google Maps transit directions will become oriented entirely around metropolitan areas instead of rural areas: I have not seen any indication of this occurring.  Further, I would strongly doubt that Google would would abandon serving rural areas with transit data when the company has demonstrated their commitment to broad coverage with other features (for example, Street View), when Google have an active user base in the rural areas, and when Google has already invested a significant effort in welcoming many rural, micro-urban, and intercity transit services to participate in the Google Transit Partner Program.</p>
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		<title>Comment on TrinityTransit.org: Making rural transit service attractive and easy-to-use by Noelle Melchizedek</title>
		<link>http://www.trilliumtransit.com/blog/2011/12/12/trinitytransit-org-making-rural-transit-service-easy-and-attractive/comment-page-1/#comment-6643</link>
		<dc:creator>Noelle Melchizedek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Aaron!

This is a great website! Is Google Transit still focusing on rural areas and implementing it in rural areas? Some folks in Colorado seem to believe they are not going to be continuing this and will only focus on metropolitan fixed routes.

Secondly - I expected to see a map of each route when I clicked on the timetable to orient myself visually. Is there not one because the stops are difficult to map? You might have answered this in the post above but I didn&#039;t catch it. :)

Noelle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Aaron!</p>
<p>This is a great website! Is Google Transit still focusing on rural areas and implementing it in rural areas? Some folks in Colorado seem to believe they are not going to be continuing this and will only focus on metropolitan fixed routes.</p>
<p>Secondly &#8211; I expected to see a map of each route when I clicked on the timetable to orient myself visually. Is there not one because the stops are difficult to map? You might have answered this in the post above but I didn&#8217;t catch it. <img src='http://www.trilliumtransit.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Noelle</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Maps for mobile 6.0 (Android) adds indoor maps.  Will transit stations be added soon? by Michael, Portland Afoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael, Portland Afoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice catch.

My first and so far only prediction for 2012 is that we&#039;ll FINALLY see a major grocery chain introduce some sort of find-your-food app.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice catch.</p>
<p>My first and so far only prediction for 2012 is that we&#8217;ll FINALLY see a major grocery chain introduce some sort of find-your-food app.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Maps for mobile 6.0 (Android) adds indoor maps.  Will transit stations be added soon? by Neil Trenk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Trenk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a great idea to apply indoor maps to transit centers!  Of course one issue that would have to resolved is Google Maps&#039;s sometimes unfortunate tendency (useful when zoomed out, annoying when zoomed in) to show one bus stop on the map that conflates several nearby bus stops, but once that&#039;s taken care of it that would be incredibly useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a great idea to apply indoor maps to transit centers!  Of course one issue that would have to resolved is Google Maps&#8217;s sometimes unfortunate tendency (useful when zoomed out, annoying when zoomed in) to show one bus stop on the map that conflates several nearby bus stops, but once that&#8217;s taken care of it that would be incredibly useful.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Maps for mobile 6.0 (Android) adds indoor maps.  Will transit stations be added soon? by Aaron Antrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Antrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Brian.  I didn&#039;t notice that.  I&#039;ll make a revision to the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Brian.  I didn&#8217;t notice that.  I&#8217;ll make a revision to the post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Maps for mobile 6.0 (Android) adds indoor maps.  Will transit stations be added soon? by Brian Ferris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Ferris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, if you check the blog post lower down, it mentions that a number of transit stations are already included in Japan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, if you check the blog post lower down, it mentions that a number of transit stations are already included in Japan.</p>
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		<title>Comment on TrinityTransit.org: Making rural transit service attractive and easy-to-use by Aaron Antrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Antrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom,

Thanks for your great comments.

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I removed the extra &quot;zone&quot; headings on the fare schedule page.  They were confusing and unnecessary.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The AM/PM is left out in the print timetables, but since we don&#039;t have the same space constraints online I thought that I&#039;d leave it in.  This makes the design less clean, but it eliminates any confusion or effort related to a timetable note (&quot;PM times are bold…&quot;, etc.)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I&#039;ll bring your question about what happens when start and end points aren&#039;t in the same table with the agency (two routes are required).  My assumption is that the fares are added together.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I really like the idea of a fare calculator.  We thought about doing this, but the budget just didn&#039;t allow this.  I wanted to make sure that whatever would be implemented would be inexpensive and easy to maintain.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Good point about the lack of a link to the Weaverville Shuttle schedule on the main page.  The service is likely to be eliminated soon, so it was left out in anticipation.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom,</p>
<p>Thanks for your great comments.</p>
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<li>I removed the extra &#8220;zone&#8221; headings on the fare schedule page.  They were confusing and unnecessary.</li>
<li>The AM/PM is left out in the print timetables, but since we don&#8217;t have the same space constraints online I thought that I&#8217;d leave it in.  This makes the design less clean, but it eliminates any confusion or effort related to a timetable note (&#8220;PM times are bold…&#8221;, etc.)</li>
<li>I&#8217;ll bring your question about what happens when start and end points aren&#8217;t in the same table with the agency (two routes are required).  My assumption is that the fares are added together.</li>
<li>I really like the idea of a fare calculator.  We thought about doing this, but the budget just didn&#8217;t allow this.  I wanted to make sure that whatever would be implemented would be inexpensive and easy to maintain.</li>
<li>Good point about the lack of a link to the Weaverville Shuttle schedule on the main page.  The service is likely to be eliminated soon, so it was left out in anticipation.</li>
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		<title>Comment on TrinityTransit.org: Making rural transit service attractive and easy-to-use by Tom West</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[bother, didn&#039;t mean to post just yet]
I like the timetable pages... although do we need to have &quot;AM&quot; or &quot;PM&quot; after every single time? (I find it odd that it&#039;s not the 24-hour clock, but that&#039;s clearly a deliberate feature.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[bother, didn't mean to post just yet]<br />
I like the timetable pages&#8230; although do we need to have &#8220;AM&#8221; or &#8220;PM&#8221; after every single time? (I find it odd that it&#8217;s not the 24-hour clock, but that&#8217;s clearly a deliberate feature.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on TrinityTransit.org: Making rural transit service attractive and easy-to-use by Tom West</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the minanalist approach. The two things I always want from a transit agency&#039;s website are timetables and fares. A couple of points:
* The timetables for the Weavervilel Shuttle is only available from the &#039;timetables&#039; page. There is nothing on the front page of the website to imply it even exists!
* The fares page is slightly confusing. What&#039;s with all the &quot;zone&quot; things as a column heading? The table provdies you with zones by start and end point, so where the zone boundaries are is moot.
* Similarly, it&#039;s not clear what happens when your start and end points aren&#039;t within the same table. (I&#039; like to select my start point, and see the fares to all destinations... or select my origin and destination, and see the fare).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the minanalist approach. The two things I always want from a transit agency&#8217;s website are timetables and fares. A couple of points:<br />
* The timetables for the Weavervilel Shuttle is only available from the &#8216;timetables&#8217; page. There is nothing on the front page of the website to imply it even exists!<br />
* The fares page is slightly confusing. What&#8217;s with all the &#8220;zone&#8221; things as a column heading? The table provdies you with zones by start and end point, so where the zone boundaries are is moot.<br />
* Similarly, it&#8217;s not clear what happens when your start and end points aren&#8217;t within the same table. (I&#8217; like to select my start point, and see the fares to all destinations&#8230; or select my origin and destination, and see the fare).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Listens: a rural transit itinerary issue resolved by Jon Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://www.trilliumtransit.com/blog/2010/08/26/google-listens-a-rural-transit-itinerary-issue-resolved/comment-page-1/#comment-6525</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent! I didn&#039;t expect such a quick resolution.  

Many thanks for looking into it.

Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent! I didn&#8217;t expect such a quick resolution.  </p>
<p>Many thanks for looking into it.</p>
<p>Jon</p>
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